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3.10.2008
Thesis statements and passages.
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Andi Thesis- The roles of ducks and fishs in the lagoon in Central Park is critical to Holdens life because the ducks help him find a piece of himself. The and their migration also symbolizes Holdens serch for his idenity.
Page #'s Pg. 18 "While i shot the bull."..... "Or if they just flew away." Pg. 78 "You know those ducks in the lagoon right near Central Park South?"...... "Do you happen to know by any chance?" Pg. 106-108 "They were even more upstairs, with deer inside them drinking at water holes and ducks flying south for the winter."....."Nobody'd be different." Pg. 200 "What it was, it was partly frozen and partly not frozen."...."But i couldn't find any."
Holden's view on what is phony is that every person who tries to please others is phony , because in Holden's mind it is necessary to fake something about yourself to get others to like them.
"Now he's out in hollywood, D.B., being a prostitute" (4).
"Anyway.. Gave this very phony, humble bow..It was very phony- I mean him being such a big snob and all" (110).
"I can't even stand ministers...They sound so phony when they talk" (131).
"but I knew old Sallie, the queen of the phonies" (152).
"What a deal that was. You never saw so many phonies in your life, everybody smoking their ears off and talking about the play so that everybody could see how sharp they were" (164).
Thesis: Holden is afraid of admitting to his faults, mistakes and differences because they reflect change and overall growth of his character. Through Phoebe's advice and teachings, Holden's vulnerability is exposed. He ignores her advice, though he fully understands it because he fears that he'll recognize ways in which he's changed, thus making him a phony.
Quotations: p 227 Begins with "I mean if you hold her close as hell so that..." Ends with "you can even tango with her for God's sake." (Dancing relates to listening and offering advice. No matter how lousy of a dance Holden are, Phoebe will still dance with him. No matter how much he's changed or lied to her, and how many bad habits he's developed, she'll still be there for him and is willing to help him.)
p 220 Begins with " 'What? I said. 'Take your mouth away' ..." Ends with "You don't like a million things. You don't."
p 224 Begins with " 'How would you know if you weren't...' " Ends with " '...looking like a phony? Trouble is, you wouldn't.' " (He's so concerned about what others think of him. He is also afraid to admit to himself that things have changed and he's changed. He's a product of change but he refuses to accept it.
p 222 Begins with " 'Allie's dead - You always say...' " Ends with " '...nicer than the people you know that're alive and all.' "
Thesis: The Museum of Natural History helps Holden to relive and remember a time when he was not depressed furthering the development of his identity.
pg. 156 "I loved that damn museum." pg. 156 "she never got sore, thought, Miss Aigletinger." pg. 157 "The birds...hurry to fly south." pg. 157 "You could...that same blanket." pg. 158 "Nobody'd...different would be you" pg. 158 "I mean you'd...i'd feel like it."
Prewriting Kelins Hou Thesis: According to what Holden think about movies, we can tell that he was struggling to find himself. He think everything in the movies is faking. You can tell his depression clearly.
Quotations: P. 38. Begins with “I got bored sitting on that washbowl after a while,” Ends with “ The little ole goddam Governor’s son.”
P.93-95. Begins with “The funny thing is I thought she was enjoying it too,” Ends with “ I can go sit down with my friends, you know.”
P.152-153. Begins with “I didn’t much want to see it, but I know old Sally, the queen of phonies,” Ends with “ I keep worrying about whether he’s going to do something phony every minute.”
I block quoted, so my quotes are ridiculously long, but here's my stuff anyway: Holden Caufield is a very self-oriented person, and even though he can be given very sound advice, from the likes of Mr. Spencer, Sally, Mr. Antolini, and Phoebe, he feels his actions need to be fundamentally his own.
Quotes:” Life is a game, boy…Everybody goes through phases and al, don’t they?” pg 12-21
“But what I mean is, lots of time you don’t know what interests you till you start talking about something that doesn’t interest you most…You’ll begin to know your true measurements and dress your mind accordingly.” Pg 241-247
“She was ostracizing the hell out of me…I don’t give a damn if he does” pg216-225
“ Hey Sally…I swear to God I’m a madman.” Pg169-174
Tyler The stationary nature of the museum of natural history represents Holden’s inability, and unwillingness to move forward in life, as he is stuck in between childhood and adulthood.
Holden’s interest in the Museum of Natural History not only shows his desire of being a kid again, but also the security he finds in repetition and lack of change.
By paying attention to the way Holden responds to advice given to him from other characters, we can gather a lot about his personality. Practically every time someone tries to lead him down a better path, Holden barely listens to them. And when he does, he completely contradicts them in his head. He finds it hard to believe that anyone else is, or has, gone through something similar to what he is going through. By constantly differentiating himself from others, he continues to find himself isolated and alone, which is the root of most of his problems.
In Catcher in the Rye, the Museum of Natural History represents childhood. Holden is infatuated with the Museum of Natural History because he wants to remain a child forever and retain his childish innocence, just like the displays in the museum remain constant and unchanging forever.
Thesis: In search of Holden’s sister, Phoebe, Holden asks a young girl around Phoebes age where he might find his little sister. The young girl tells him the Museum of Natural History because they went there last Saturday. The only problem was it was Sunday and because of the date, to Holden’s disappointment; Phoebe would not be present there. Yet even though she would be absent in the museum, Holden decides to walk over to the museum and reminisce on his old field trips there. For Holden the Museum of Natural History is a mental disappointment and sanctuary. It symbolizes curious and innocent youth, preserves, and the essence of everything in the world not having the opportunity to change even though time continues.
Quotations: p. 157. Begins with: The squaw that was weaving the blanket was sort of bending over ; ends with: more bosom than we did. p. 157 . Begins with: Boy, that museum was full of glass cases…. The best thing; ends with: Nobody’d move. p.158. Begins with: Certain things they should stay the way they are. ; ends with: Anyway, I kept thinking about all that while I walked. and so on…
Since The Catcher in the Rye’s publication in 1951 the name Holden Caufield had become synonymous with teenage angst, lost innocence, and the confusion typically faced by adolescents as they mature. Holden’s sworn foe are the “phonies” of the world, which is just a blanket term he uses for when Holden believes someone to have acted or to be acting dishonestly, particularly when Holden feels they are putting on some sort of façade. This hatred carries into his life and can be used to define his entire persona.
Congrats to John, who was the first student to email me the correct answer to how the answers to the "total number of pages read" poll below were strategically picked.
His answer was as follows:
All of these are years. 2008 is our current year, 1984 is the year you were born*, 1812 is for the war of 1812, 1776 is the declaration of independance, and 1492 is the year columbus sailed the ocean blue! These also have to do with American dates, as the course is "American Lit."
* Actually, I was born in 1981. But four outta five ain't bad. Especially in baseball. Which this isn't. But still . . .
Photo Feature: Uncle Rico.
A 21st century Tom Buchanan. Sort of.
". . . one of those men who reach such an acute limited excellence at twenty one that everything afterwards savours of anticlimax. . . . I felt that Tom would drift on forever seeking a little wistfully for the dramatic turbulence of some irrecoverable football game" (10).
The Truth about Bright Eyes.
The band name "Bright Eyes" was taken from Charlton Heston's character's nickname in Planet of the Apes, not Daisy's character description in The Great Gatsby. Sorry to disappoint.
"I looked back at my cousin who began to ask me questions in her low, thrilling voice. It was the kind of voice that the ear follows up and down as if each speech is an arrangement of notes that will never be played again. Her face was sad and lovely with bright things in it, bright eyes and a bright, passionate mouth . . ." (Fitzgerald, 13-14).
In Rotation: Selected 07-08 Highlights.
by your request... Kansas, Moby, Ratatat, & Vampire Weekend.
One: Everything in literature is intentional. Even when it’s not, it is. That said, not all things mean more than what they initially seem. But it might. Sometimes a hat is just a hat. Other times, though, a hat is Holden’s red hunting hat.Take Away: As readers, we must assume that writers know what they’re doing and have done it intentionally.
Addendum A: Rain always means something. Always.
Addendum B: Names do, too. Like Esperanza, Gatsby, and Daisy. Holden, too.
Addendum C: Mangoes and other exotic fruits always mean a very specific thing. But we’re not going to go there. Not yet…
Addendum D: Trees always mean things, especially ones bearing fruit.
Two: By direction, find indirection. Revision. Revision. Revision. A piece of writing is never completed, only abandoned. Take Away: Writing is a process. When you think you’re done, you’re probably not; there’s always more work to do.
Three: Literature is full of contradictions, paradoxes, oxymorons, and ironies. So, too, is life. This doesn't make one thing right and the other thing wrong. Both can exist and be in simultaneous harmony and tension. Take away: It's all about perspective.
Four: Every interpretation is not correct. Without substantial textual support and a clearly articulated, rational analysis, an interpretation is only as good as a guess. Back up your opinion. Validate it. Take Away: Take us there.
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17 comments:
Andi
Thesis- The roles of ducks and fishs in the lagoon in Central Park is critical to Holdens life because the ducks help him find a piece of himself. The and their migration also symbolizes Holdens serch for his idenity.
Page #'s
Pg. 18 "While i shot the bull."..... "Or if they just flew away."
Pg. 78 "You know those ducks in the lagoon right near Central Park South?"...... "Do you happen to know by any chance?"
Pg. 106-108 "They were even more upstairs, with deer inside them drinking at water holes and ducks flying south for the winter."....."Nobody'd be different."
Pg. 200 "What it was, it was partly frozen and partly not frozen."...."But i couldn't find any."
Andi
and Pg. 157
Holden's view on what is phony is that every person who tries to please others is phony , because in Holden's mind it is necessary to fake something about yourself to get others to like them.
"Now he's out in hollywood, D.B., being a prostitute" (4).
"Anyway.. Gave this very phony, humble bow..It was very phony- I mean him being such a big snob and all" (110).
"I can't even stand ministers...They sound so phony when they talk" (131).
"but I knew old Sallie, the queen of the phonies" (152).
"What a deal that was. You never saw so many phonies in your life, everybody smoking their ears off and talking about the play so that everybody could see how sharp they were" (164).
-Scott
Shaina
Thesis: Holden is afraid of admitting to his faults, mistakes and differences because they reflect change and overall growth of his character. Through Phoebe's advice and teachings, Holden's vulnerability is exposed. He ignores her advice, though he fully understands it because he fears that he'll recognize ways in which he's changed, thus making him a phony.
Quotations:
p 227 Begins with "I mean if you hold her close as hell so that..." Ends with "you can even tango with her for God's sake."
(Dancing relates to listening and offering advice. No matter how lousy of a dance Holden are, Phoebe will still dance with him. No matter how much he's changed or lied to her, and how many bad habits he's developed, she'll still be there for him and is willing to help him.)
p 220 Begins with " 'What? I said. 'Take your mouth away' ..." Ends with "You don't like a million things. You don't."
p 224 Begins with " 'How would you know if you weren't...' " Ends with " '...looking like a phony? Trouble is, you wouldn't.' "
(He's so concerned about what others think of him. He is also afraid to admit to himself that things have changed and he's changed. He's a product of change but he refuses to accept it.
p 222 Begins with " 'Allie's dead - You always say...' " Ends with " '...nicer than the people you know that're alive and all.' "
Thesis: The Museum of Natural History helps Holden to relive and remember a time when he was not depressed furthering the development of his identity.
pg. 156 "I loved that damn museum."
pg. 156 "she never got sore, thought, Miss Aigletinger."
pg. 157 "The birds...hurry to fly south."
pg. 157 "You could...that same blanket."
pg. 158 "Nobody'd...different would be you"
pg. 158 "I mean you'd...i'd feel like it."
BECCA!
thesis= Holden considers a person a phony if they try to fit a mold or change themselves to be like others.
pg. 113 "How marvelous to see you...it drives me crazy though"\
pg. 131 "If you want to know the truth...so phony when they talk"
pg. 152 "In the first place...and that spoils it"
pg. 164 "You never saw...go over the top"
-Erik
Prewriting
Kelins Hou
Thesis: According to what Holden think about movies, we can tell that he was struggling to find himself. He think everything in the movies is faking. You can tell his depression clearly.
Quotations:
P. 38. Begins with “I got bored sitting on that washbowl after a while,”
Ends with “ The little ole goddam Governor’s son.”
P.93-95. Begins with “The funny thing is I thought she was enjoying it too,”
Ends with “ I can go sit down with my friends, you know.”
P.152-153. Begins with “I didn’t much want to see it, but I know old Sally, the queen of phonies,”
Ends with “ I keep worrying about whether he’s going to do something phony every minute.”
I block quoted, so my quotes are ridiculously long, but here's my stuff anyway:
Holden Caufield is a very self-oriented person, and even though he can be given very sound advice, from the likes of Mr. Spencer, Sally, Mr. Antolini, and Phoebe, he feels his actions need to be fundamentally his own.
Quotes:” Life is a game, boy…Everybody goes through phases and al, don’t they?” pg 12-21
“But what I mean is, lots of time you don’t know what interests you till you start talking about something that doesn’t interest you most…You’ll begin to know your true measurements and dress your mind accordingly.” Pg 241-247
“She was ostracizing the hell out of me…I don’t give a damn if he does” pg216-225
“ Hey Sally…I swear to God I’m a madman.” Pg169-174
Christopher
Tyler
The stationary nature of the museum of natural history represents Holden’s inability, and unwillingness to move forward in life, as he is stuck in between childhood and adulthood.
Quotations: 155, 156, 157, 158, 264
Nina
Holden’s interest in the Museum of Natural History not only shows his desire of being a kid again, but also the security he finds in repetition and lack of change.
154, 155-159, 260, 262, 263-268
Maddie
The ducks in the central park lagoon represent Holden and the search for his future.
18, 78, 106-108, 157-158, 199-200
Carly
By paying attention to the way Holden responds to advice given to him from other characters, we can gather a lot about his personality. Practically every time someone tries to lead him down a better path, Holden barely listens to them. And when he does, he completely contradicts them in his head. He finds it hard to believe that anyone else is, or has, gone through something similar to what he is going through. By constantly differentiating himself from others, he continues to find himself isolated and alone, which is the root of most of his problems.
20, 170-1, 220, 245
John
The Museum represents the only constant in holden's life. It is a metaphor for his childhood.
155, 156, 158, 264
Jack
In Catcher in the Rye, the Museum of Natural History represents childhood. Holden is infatuated with the Museum of Natural History because he wants to remain a child forever and retain his childish innocence, just like the displays in the museum remain constant and unchanging forever.
13, 156, 157-158, 159, 264
Thesis: In search of Holden’s sister, Phoebe, Holden asks a young girl around Phoebes age where he might find his little sister. The young girl tells him the Museum of Natural History because they went there last Saturday. The only problem was it was Sunday and because of the date, to Holden’s disappointment; Phoebe would not be present there. Yet even though she would be absent in the museum, Holden decides to walk over to the museum and reminisce on his old field trips there. For Holden the Museum of Natural History is a mental disappointment and sanctuary. It symbolizes curious and innocent youth, preserves, and the essence of everything in the world not having the opportunity to change even though time continues.
Quotations:
p. 157. Begins with: The squaw that was weaving the blanket was sort of bending over ;
ends with: more bosom than we did.
p. 157 . Begins with: Boy, that museum was full of glass cases…. The best thing;
ends with: Nobody’d move.
p.158. Begins with: Certain things they should stay the way they are. ;
ends with: Anyway, I kept thinking about all that while I walked.
and so on…
Taylor
Since The Catcher in the Rye’s publication in 1951 the name Holden Caufield had become synonymous with teenage angst, lost innocence, and the confusion typically faced by adolescents as they mature. Holden’s sworn foe are the “phonies” of the world, which is just a blanket term he uses for when Holden believes someone to have acted or to be acting dishonestly, particularly when Holden feels they are putting on some sort of façade. This hatred carries into his life and can be used to define his entire persona.
P.3
p.7
p.98
p.136
-Nik
oh, and I left out a sentence about the movies by mistake.
-Nik
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